Zacariah: Say you take the sphere of a planet and you cut it into four parts, these two sections and these two sections are west and east, and then you have north west, north east, south west and south east.
Max: It's not how you do it on Earth but suppose you do that.
Zacariah: Yeah, I'm saying suppose you do that and this half of the planet will see the ring planet while this half of the planet won't, because the planet itself spins, but while it's spinning it's also tilting, so when it's tilting and spinning this other planet is also doing the same thing and spinning, so just the way it times with the other planet you don't really see it that often.
Max: Oh, so it's like hanging around the same spot. The planet spins and the thing spins with it?
Zacariah: Yeah.
Max: Okay. So what is it, an artificial thing?
Zacariah: Yes, the planet itself is completely artificially constructed. I mean, the planet is real, it's an organic planet, but everything, rotational speed, axle speed, weather patterns, everything is controlled by ...
Max: Okay, all right. And you said something I just didn't capture. And you see something in the sky from western hemisphere, what is that?
Zacariah: That was the ring planet I said.
Max: Ring planet?
Zacariah: Yeah, it looks like our Saturn.
Max: Oh, another planet that spins around this planet?
Zacariah: Yes.
Max: Wow. So there is life there too?
Zacariah: Yeah, you could say it's kind of like a binary planetary system, with two planets orbiting each other, but it's not, they're just rotating at a similar speed.
Max: Okay. I guess this is all I wanted to hear about, I mean I've sort of covered all of my questions for Utopia 5. What do you want to do next? Do you have any stories or personal experiences or do you want to channel?
Zacariah: I'll channel in a couple minutes, but I do have a personal experience on Utopia 5
Max: All right.
Zacariah: I think maybe the fourth time I was brought there in this life I can remember actually being in a rainforest and the houses in the rainforest were built into the tree, it was like they are on Erra, and I remember actually walking through the forest floor and looking up and not seeing anything but trees. I remember being mesmerised by the fact that these trees looked like skyscrapers on our planet, if not bigger. And I remember walking to the base of the tree and the Pleiadian saying, "Go in," and I looked at him and said, "But there's no door." And he said, "Silly child, we do not have doors." And so then he gave me this shove and I phased through the trunk of the tree. And then once I'm inside the base of the trunk it looks like all the walls are made out of the tree, but they're disproportional than the outside of the tree. It's bigger inside than it is outside.
Max: I understand.
Zacariah: And when you get there, there's a spiral staircase that goes all the way up the tree. The spiral staircase is, it looks like it's alive kinda, it can morph, it can move, it can separate and just connect to other things. Like ... Have you seen Harry Potter?
Max: I'm sorry I haven't.
Zacariah: In Hogwarts the stairs can move and connect with each other and that's what it does on this planet. The stairs, 'cos it's a spiral staircase, the stairs can just separate, a new set of stairs can join when they add another room. It's basically from the bottom floor to the middle is all what we would call stores. They don't have stores 'cos they don't pay for anything, but it's where you can go to get goods. And from say the middle to the top is all houses.
Max: Oh, so one tree houses many families?
Zacariah: Yes.
Max: It's like a small village or big village.
Zacariah: Yes. Each tree you could say is its own village, and each single tree is inhabited.
Max: So, when you get things from the stores you don't pay.
Zacariah: No, you walk in, you tell them what you need and if they don't have it they synthesise it, if they can't synthesise it they place an order, you would say, to another store that might have it, and then they just give it to you.
Max: That's nice to know, that is something new. So you just ... How many people know you? How many people do you know there? If you're a citizen there, how many people would you know?
Zacariah: Everybody knows everyone, they're all connected through a telepathic link. You walk down the street and even if you've never seen the person before you automatically know them.
Max: Oh, so it's millions and millions.
Zacariah: Yeah.
Max: That's why you don't do any crime and you don't do anything negative, right?
Zacariah: Right, they're just a peaceful planet. Personally I have five friends there still. Three children, three Pleiadian, they're not adults but that I grew up with there when I was visiting. Because I was only there for one night on Earth time, but in there time I was there for, like, a couple of years at a time.
Max: Wow, a couple off years.
Zacariah: So it's weird how it works. Yeah, they always got me back right before my mom woke up to wake me up for school, so I was only gone for one night. And so there I grew up with some kids that I still talk to occasionally. I mainly talk to my trainer though, her name was Auria, A U R I A, and she's actually the queen of this planet, well, the queen of the deserts actually.
Max: Okay. So problems, do they have problems?
Zacariah: Population control, but they don't really need to worry about it.
Max: Usual problems. A person there, would they have, you know, the level of happiness is high there apparently, but, you know, because there is duality they should be solving some sort of problem. What is their impulse to grow or they're motivation to grow, or their challenges?
Zacariah: What do you mean?
Max: We come here to learn lessons. Do they come there to learn lessons?
Zacariah: Yes. They don't have the same problems that we do. They have ... Okay, so humans, they would consider humans gifted because humans have to go through pain and suffering, murder, rape all of these nasty things that they don't experience. So they don't get to worry about it, so they view humans gifted. They're problems are having to deal with happiness, too much happiness, and too much is given to them so they have to, they experience that. So if a human were to go there a human would be overwhelmed then they would feel at peace. But if one of them were to come to Earth they would feel at peace in the way that they could experience something finally, but they would feel horrible and nauseous at the fact that there's so much negativity, 'cos they're so used to so much happiness, excessive amounts.
Max: So what would be their problems? What would they worry about? What would they get excited about?